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  1. Ginny Mapes

    David,

    I was just posting about the “lore” on FB. on Oregon Archieves page and on Old Tillamook Times. There are so many interesting tales.

    Here’s another question — I have a few of the books on Shoto Clay —there seems to have been some sort of firing pit perhaps in Suavie Island. It seems that most of the clay club heads, figurines, etc are in private collections???? Do you think they could have come from your story? They might have had the technology on firing clay and shared with the natives? I do not know of any pottery other than Shoto Clay made in our area.

    Your stories are wonderful. I’ll add them to mine.

    That could be another talk for you. All the early explorers and the stories etc. I would love to hear that!

    Ginny Mapes 25185 NW Svea Drive Hillsboro, OR 97124

    503-647-2896 ginny@coho.net

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    • Jami Wilson

      Katharine Jones Harrison has a very good book on her tribal contribution(s), and I wish I knew more of the altar that now resides in the Smithsonian. The story of the use and it’s make-up and origin.
      This story is not done yet !

      • Val Alexander

        The descendants of Chief Tumulth, of the Watlala Cascade Chinook Tribe believe that Tumulth, who signed the treaty of the Willamette Valley, and who was hung in 1856, was a grandson of Soto. Tumulth was 6’4″ tall and had long red hair, down to his waist. Many other natives living along the Columbia River had red hair as well.

  2. David Heath

    It’s my understanding the “sh” sound (Shoto) is not common to the Chinookan language, but is with other Pacific Northwest languages also spoken on the Columbia at that time (I’ll defer to my betters on this). My quick take is the baked clays are a local invention and made by “people of the river” who had strong ties with families extending to the lower cascades and Suavie Island – also include their Shahaptian-speaking neighbors (variously group as SW Klickitat). I was never successful finding a strong connection between the baked clays and Spanish influences; or even with other groups who reside in far distant lands beyond the Pacific Northwest. I have some ideas on purpose, but lack a mature understanding to detail here. I enjoy reading Mr. Lewis’ research and following his public outreach efforts. I look forward to reading his guidance on the “Shoto Clay” subject and hope the information shared proved helpful? Someday I’d like to pass along “there was a guy” type story where a Shoto Indian claimed rights/privileges with a form of HBC validation (no facts and more like local legend/tradition stuff).

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